配资推荐聚股盘

就这样的水平,美国还好意思向全世界推销民主?

来源:观察者网 作者:陈平 张维为 时间:2020-06-08
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就这样的水平 美国还好意思向全世界推销民主?

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XIEXIEDAJIA。

主持人:配资推荐聚股盘刚才张老师讲了什么叫民主,可能你所了解到民主的很多概念,它来自于西方。西方的这个民主模式,到底有多强的合理性?它在运行过程中又遇到了什么问题?配资公司 这个话题也想先问一下陈老师,您的观点何在?

陈平:配资推荐聚股盘这个问题是一个很重大的科学问题。因为“五四运动”的时候,有一个口号在北大很流行,“德先生和赛先生”。要知道“德先生”是多数人决定说了算。“赛先生”是少数人决定说了算,科学越来越复杂,科学决策多数人永远是错的,只有少数人是对的。这两个不是矛盾的吗?口号喊起来很容易,做起来就很难办。

配资推荐聚股盘“Democracy”,MINZHU,LAIYUANYU“XILA”ZHEIGECI,XILACHENGBANGHENXIAO,NIMENZHIDAOBOLATUDELIXIANGGUO,LIXIANGDEGUODUODANI?5040GEREN,DUOLEYIHOUYIDINGYAOFENLIE,MINZHUJIUBUXINGLE。

配资推荐聚股盘XIANZAIDEMEIGUOJUEDUIBUSHIMINZHU,MEIGUOXIANZAISHIGUATOU。SUOYIMEIGUORUGUOYAOSHENGCHENGZIJISHIMINZHUDEHUA,JIUSHIZHANGGUANLIDAI。

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梁玉龙创作的《五四运动》,作为中国历史教学图片1976年由上海人民出版社出版发行

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提问环节

QA:主持人好,张老师、陈老师你们好。民主是西方话语权的一个重要组成部分,在现在这个历史节点,世界需要新的理论。我的问题是,对普通人、甚至是一些文化程度比较低的人,我们怎样让自己的话语深入人心?谢谢。

张维为:配资推荐聚股盘“民主”这个词,麻烦就是被西方先注册了,注册之后,人家一讲,想到的就这个东西,好像有专利权一样的。所以我有时候跟西方人讨论民主,我就说你怎么界定?如果一定要说民主是多党制加一人一票,我说我不跟你讨论,民主有各种各样的形式,你这个形式只是其中的一种。我就跟你讨论,良政还是劣政,这是一种办法来解构它。

HAIYOUYIZHONGBANFAJIUSHIZENMEYIZUIJIANDANDEFANGSHIBAZHONGGUOZHIDUJIANGQINGCHU,YINWEIXIFANGTAJIBENSHANGBAMINZHUJIUJIEDINGWEISINIANYICIXUANJULINGDAOREN。SUOYIWOQIANMIANTIDAO,NIMENZHEIGEZHIDUJIAOElectionXUANJU,WOMENZHEIGEZHIDUJIAOSelection+Election“XUANBA+XUANJU”,NAGEHAO?WOZHEIGEBINIGENGHAO,That's it!ZHEIGETAMENYENENGTINGDONG。TASHUO,SHIA,WOMENWEISHENMEBUNENGXIANXUANBAYIXIANI?NIMENQUKANXUANJU,ZUIHOULIANGDANGJINGZHENG,WANGWANGJIUSHILIANGGERENDOUHENLAN,ZHEISHIPUBIANQINGKUANGDEDAGAILVSHIJIAN。

DANSHINIKANWOMENDEJUECEGUOCHENG,BAOKUOGUONEIHEGUOWAIDELIYI,SHENZHIHAIMEIYOUCHUSHENGDE、WEILAIRENDELIYI。ZHEIGESHIWOMENDEZHIDUDOUYAOKAOLVDE,SUOYIJIAOZUORENMINDE、ZHANGQIDE、GENBENDE、ZHENGTIDELIYI。ZHEIGEZHIYOUWOMENXIANZAIZHEIGEZHIDUKEYIZUODAO。

QB:张教授好,陈教授好,主持人好。我的问题是现在有些人对中国现在的民主不满意,觉得像美国那样的才是真民主。中国是虚假的民主,请问你怎么反驳呢?谢谢。

张维为:实际上,西方民主模式现在每天都有各种各样的故事,所以学政治的人,此时此刻是材料最丰富的时候。

配资推荐聚股盘NIKANXIFANGMINZHUMOSHISHIGUXILAJIUCHUANGZAODE,XIANZAIXILAPOCHANLE,XUYAOZHONGGUOBANGZHU,DUIBUDUI?YIHUIZHIMINZHUSHIYINGGUOFAMINGDE,YINGGUOXIANZAIFEICHANGLANGBEI,YIGETUOOUNONGDEDUOSHUYINGGUORENDOUBUGAOXING,ZHEIGEZHIDUYEYUNZUODEFEICHANGZHIBUHAO。MEIGUOMINZHU,NIYOUMEIYOUZHUYIDAO,TELANGPUZAIZONGTONGJINGXUANSHISHUOGUOYIJUHENJINGCAIDEHUA,TASHUO“NIMENZAIZUONAYIWEIMEIYOUSHOUGUOWODEQIAN?”DANGSHIXILALIYEZAICHANGBIANLUN,TAZHIDEYEBAOKUOXILALI,TELANGPUSHIFUREN,SUOYIZHEIJIUSHIZHENSHIDEMEIGUOMINZHU。

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主持人:刚才张老师说,每一个议员周围活跃着很多说客,更不要说总统选举的时候,哪个捐钱捐的多,哪个财团的意见,可能就会左右总统许多许多的政策。陈老师生活在美国,特别想问一下,切身体会怎么样?

陈平:我在美国待了40年,美国民主怎么操作?我在德克萨斯州,德克萨斯州大到什么程度?相当于四川省加重庆市这么大,而且是美国经济龙头。这么大的州全部开通高速公路的话是非常费时间的。所以美国德州要修一条轻轨、还不是高铁,连接几个主要城市,公民投票了20年,每次投票赞成和反对的比例就是51比49,来回翻烙饼,为什么?你想想看,我修了轻轨,沿线居民反对,因为有噪声,房地产跌价,但远一点的赞成,因为土地升值了;航空公司反对,因为我的机票卖不出去了,旅馆也反对,本来你开车的话就可以住旅馆,所以这么简单的事情,加州修高铁也修不成,德州修轻轨也修不成。

加州高铁效果图

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QC:两位老师好主持人好,我想问的是,现在中国尤其是我们处于和美国贸易战这个特殊的时期,我国的社会主义制度如何发挥作用呢?

张维为:为什么我跟陈平老师在中美贸易战一开始就觉得美国人打不下去。背后很大程度是我们的制度优势非常明显。比方说,实际上我们的制度早就开始结构调整,过去我们对美国的贸易比重非常大,现在减少到非常可控的地步了。我们上次做过统计,大致推算,输美的5000亿商品都增加25%关税,对我们GDP的影响是0.5%。但十年前完全不是这样的,十年前是很大的一个比例。

配资推荐聚股盘SUOYIWOMENSHISHIJIESHANGWEISHUBUDUODE、ZHENDENENGGOUJINXINGGAIGEDEGUOJIA,BAOKUOJINGJIJIEGOUDIAOZHENG,XINJIUDONGNENGZHUANHUA,YONGBAOGAOKEJI,YONGBAOXINJISHUGEMING。WOSHUOXIJINPINGZHUXISHIYONGBAO2050NIAN,TELANGPUZONGTONGSHIYONGBAO1950NIAN,TAHENBUDEMEITANGONGYE、FANGZHIGONGYEDOUFAZHANQILAI,ZHISHIJIEGOUZHILAOHUA,BUKANXIANGXIANG。WOMENYOUXUEXIZHIDU,ZHEIYESHINIJIANGDEZHIDUYOUSHI。NAPAYIBANDEGANBU,NIRUGUOJIECHUYIXIAZHONGGUODEQUWEISHUJI、XIANWEISHUJI,NIJIUZHIDAOTAMENDEZHISHIJIEGOU,HENDACHENGDUSHANGBUYAYUWOMENDAXUEJIAOSHOU,GENDEHENJIN。

陈平:配资推荐聚股盘中美如果打贸易战的话,美国是必输的。道理非常简单,因为美国的贸易逆差持续了半个世纪了,它的根源是过度消费,过度扩军备战,过度使用美元霸权,这都跟中国没有关系。所以特朗普现在想要叫美国产业回来,跨国公司别赚中国的高利润,赚美国的低利润,叫美国老百姓不买中国价廉物美的物品,除非他能做到把“狼吃肉”改成“狼吃草”,对吧?所以它是必输的。

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主持人:我们刚才讨论了很多西方民主的短板,也想问一下西方民主还有没有优点?

张维为:配资推荐聚股盘我曾经打过一个比方,我说西方民主很像西餐,中国民主很像中餐。特点是内容,中餐更精彩,西餐有什么特点呢?就没有多少可以吃的东西,但盘子、叉子、杯子、不停地换,所以它有一种形式美,仪式感很强;内容不如我们,但论形式,他们有比我们好的地方,有我们可以借鉴的地方。

陈平:我很认真地学习西方经验,因为我想了很久,中国到底要向西方学习什么?西方真正的民主,实际上是社区民主。如果你到西方去参观,就会发现,一个小村庄就有一个教堂,有钱人和穷人在一起祈祷;做基层的事儿,不需要一个长官来指挥,譬如我们这些人说,我们这个社区要不要种树?要不要打扫卫生?要不要有垃圾?有谁家里出了纠纷,以后怎么照顾?所以西方社区很小,到现在美国还有那种相当于以色列的公社那样的东西,它很有效。但是一旦扩大了以后、阶层分化以后,这个就瓦解了。中国如果要搞乡村治理、工厂自治,这个方面我认为要学的,因为中国太依赖从上而下的官员指挥。从这个意义上来说,我觉得我们要改善我们的中国式民主,是有空间的。

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